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we have obama in the white house. the unions are going whild here. in all seriousness, i don't think unions are any more placid here than they are in china. >> but in china, workers go out on wildcat strikes all the time. foxconn which manufactures about 97% of apple's products, they've been really subject to labor troubles, from suicides to strikes. so i think apple is starting to see that there are some really important economic reasons to manufacturing. they're not the only company doing that. >> is it robots they're going -- i was told that apple is going into a plant in the u.s. that's a robotic plant so american workers aren't really going to be hired. >> last year in foxconn, they had 10,000 robots. if you have robots, china's cost manufacturing advantage is really nil except for chinese consumers. >> as long as we keep drilling for natural gas and we have the shale revolution, that's going to make us more competitive. i'm not making a case for china. i'm just a little interested in the apple case. that's what i'm saying. i'm a little interest
we have obama in the white house. the unions are going whild here. in all seriousness, i don't think unions are any more placid here than they are in china. >> but in china, workers go out on wildcat strikes all the time. foxconn which manufactures about 97% of apple's products, they've been really subject to labor troubles, from suicides to strikes. so i think apple is starting to see that there are some really important economic reasons to manufacturing. they're not the only company...
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>> with obama in the white house, we probably can't do anything good. but as an economic matter in terms of not discouraging saving and investing and as a moral matter not taxing people just because they die, the death tax should be wiped out. australia got rid of their death tax. even the former soviet union russia got rid of their death tax. countries around the world figure out it makes no sense to tax and tax and tax again. get rid of it. >> actually 28 out of 34 of the oecd advanced economy countries have either a wealth tax or estate tax. so factual error number one. number two, you're absolutely right. if you were to completely abolish this which nobody is talked about except dan mitchell, i guess. you'd be talking about something like half a trillion dollars of revenue lost over the next ten years. where you're going to get that from? you're going to get that from programs that help lower income people or the middle class themselves. now you're talking about literally a transfer from the top .2%. not 2%. but this tax only hits the two in 1,000 m
>> with obama in the white house, we probably can't do anything good. but as an economic matter in terms of not discouraging saving and investing and as a moral matter not taxing people just because they die, the death tax should be wiped out. australia got rid of their death tax. even the former soviet union russia got rid of their death tax. countries around the world figure out it makes no sense to tax and tax and tax again. get rid of it. >> actually 28 out of 34 of the oecd...
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house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> part of that tango is republicans cracking on tax rates. that's what president obama will be talking about in michigan today. keeping the public pressure on. but the part for the administrator point of view, tyler, is what do they live john boehner so he can bring his troops along, entitlement, spending cuts, to tell their members we got a good deal. >> john, i find it curious to find that president spent as much time as he has on the road trying to drum up support for this deal. we just had an election all about t
house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are...
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lawmakers have no choice but to give in to the white house demands to raise tax breaks on the wealthy if they want to achieve their main goal of entitlement reform. >> there are a growing group of thugs looking at this and realizing we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issues before year-end. >> will i accept the tax increase as part of a deal to solve our problems? yes. >> senate republicans are facing opposition to their tax concessions in the house and democrats haven't been too receptive to their idea owes entitlement reforms. for more on this, jens is still with us. we've got, what, two working weeks until the end of the year. what's your base view here as to how this plays out? >> our base case is that we will get a type of deal probably later until the year. so i don't think it will be much of a christmas holiday for the key negotiators. i would say 60% to 70% probability that we get that pancake deal. then the details will have to be hammered out next year on a more comprehensive tax reform and so forth. if that's the case, then that should give a bit of a boo
lawmakers have no choice but to give in to the white house demands to raise tax breaks on the wealthy if they want to achieve their main goal of entitlement reform. >> there are a growing group of thugs looking at this and realizing we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issues before year-end. >> will i accept the tax increase as part of a deal to solve our problems? yes. >> senate republicans are facing opposition to their tax concessions in the house and...
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we were told that yesterday speaker boehner and president obama held a phone call, it was said to be about 20, 28 minutes in length but neither side has leaked what happened on that phone call. the house republicans are not leaking, the white house just within the past hour said it's not going to tell reporters what was discussed, that's probably an encouraging sign that negotiations are taking place. last week we saw that they had a proposal and immediately house republicans leaked the white house proposal and then republicans went out of their way to say they were laughing at that proposal, now they're not leaking, that's probably a sign of some real deal making but nonetheless harry reid the senate democratic leader was on the floor within the past hour or so and he kept the pressure up on republicans. take a listen. >> the plan for the republicans to face reality, there's enough writing on the wall. >> you get the sense here guys that democrats feel like they have the upper hand, there is some dealmaking behind the scenes. what that dealmaking is we don't yet know and when it cou
we were told that yesterday speaker boehner and president obama held a phone call, it was said to be about 20, 28 minutes in length but neither side has leaked what happened on that phone call. the house republicans are not leaking, the white house just within the past hour said it's not going to tell reporters what was discussed, that's probably an encouraging sign that negotiations are taking place. last week we saw that they had a proposal and immediately house republicans leaked the white...
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president obama and speaker john boehner met at the white house on sunday to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. neither offered details about the discussion, but both said the lines of communication remain open. is the fiscal cliff end game finally approaching? joining us now is ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. ben, maybe it's good news they didn't come out and say, we're so far apart. >> it's a good sign. any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart, that's the problem. if we hear nothing, that's actually pretty good. >> are we starting to see the beginning of the gop move into the center with the comments over the weekend from
president obama and speaker john boehner met at the white house on sunday to discuss the impending fiscal cliff. neither offered details about the discussion, but both said the lines of communication remain open. is the fiscal cliff end game finally approaching? joining us now is ben white, politico's chief economic correspondent. ben, maybe it's good news they didn't come out and say, we're so far apart. >> it's a good sign. any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere,...
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house speaker boehner meeting with president obama at the white house. but what will it take to get a compromise deal? republican senator john thune will be our guest host for the hour. >> plus starwood hotel ceo frits van paaschen on the effects of the fiscal cliff and avoiding the european recovery model. >> we know big ben. >> parliament. >> the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc. first in business worldwide i'm joe kernen along with becky quick. andrew ross sorkin is off today. we have a big lineup this hour. sitting in andrew's seat our guest host, senator john thune. he is with us for the hour to talk about the fiscal cliff. talk about jobs. and a lot more. we're also going to speak to the president of telemundo media. emilio row mano. we're going to convene an economic summit to tackle america's debt crisis and outline growth scenarios for 2013. in addition to solving our budget problems and the fiscal cliff, we're also going to figure out how it affects the hotel industry with starwood's hot
house speaker boehner meeting with president obama at the white house. but what will it take to get a compromise deal? republican senator john thune will be our guest host for the hour. >> plus starwood hotel ceo frits van paaschen on the effects of the fiscal cliff and avoiding the european recovery model. >> we know big ben. >> parliament. >> the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc....
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president obama and boehner spoke by phone on wednesday and promised to renew the negotiations. hurricane sandy expected to put a big dent in the u.s. jobs report out at 8:30 eastern. nonfarm payrolls are forecast to have risen just 80,000, versus 171,000 in october. it would be the smallest job growth in five months. sandy which truck strustruck at of october battered the east coast, but economists expect a snap back in december. unemployment forecast to hold steady at 7.9%. and besides the jobs report, other items on the agenda in the united states, two other pieces of economic data, the first is the read on december consumer sentiment, due out at 9:55 eastern. forecasts call for sentiment to slip to 82 this month down nearly three months from november. and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. as far as futures right now ahead of that report, they are called for slightly downward start to u.s. programming. right now the dow is some 12 points below fair value. the nasdaq is currently gist over three points below fair value and s&p 500 about one point below. todd horowi
president obama and boehner spoke by phone on wednesday and promised to renew the negotiations. hurricane sandy expected to put a big dent in the u.s. jobs report out at 8:30 eastern. nonfarm payrolls are forecast to have risen just 80,000, versus 171,000 in october. it would be the smallest job growth in five months. sandy which truck strustruck at of october battered the east coast, but economists expect a snap back in december. unemployment forecast to hold steady at 7.9%. and besides the...
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white house. nobody over there wants to go over the cliff at this time, there's nothing that wants to do it. >> once we get over it, we hope it's a bridge to something that will help you and caterpillar compete better in the world. after the cliff, what do you want? is there any emphasis on corporate tax reform that we need or how to bring $2 trillion back to this country? aren't those things, did you talk about any of those or the cliff? >> we talked about all of those, long-term competitiveness for our country, immigration reform that needs to happen, and there's a lot of bipartisan support for corporate and personal tax reform next year and i know j.timmonds was on earlier. private factories in this country need more also. that's a hot topic right around the corner but it's important we get through the cliff, that government governors, we get leadership, get over the cliff and move to the next thing. i think everybody's talking about it. >> doug, let me ask you a question. i think there's a str
white house. nobody over there wants to go over the cliff at this time, there's nothing that wants to do it. >> once we get over it, we hope it's a bridge to something that will help you and caterpillar compete better in the world. after the cliff, what do you want? is there any emphasis on corporate tax reform that we need or how to bring $2 trillion back to this country? aren't those things, did you talk about any of those or the cliff? >> we talked about all of those, long-term...
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the white house says the administration has made extensive proposals to reduce spending. but republicans haven't offered specifics on revenue increases. >>> let's turn to monetary policy. we've got spencer dale from the bank of england out reiterating his relatively hawkish stance when it comes to what the central bank can achieve in the u.k., warning that inflation is sticky and saying spare capacity is not a great gauge of inflation. pressures saying that monetary policy can only play a limited role in easing the country's painful economic adjustment. this, of course, in contrast to mark carney's comments yesterday. the incoming bank of england governor saying that in fact monetary policy can be quite effective and maybe should be more aggressive in time of low growth. and he perhaps would like to scrap the inflation target that his brpredecessor introduced altogether. >>> the federal reserve wraps up its two-day policy meeting this afternoon with a decision due at 12:30 p.m. eastern. will be followed by updated projections and ben bernanke's prius briefing. the fed --
the white house says the administration has made extensive proposals to reduce spending. but republicans haven't offered specifics on revenue increases. >>> let's turn to monetary policy. we've got spencer dale from the bank of england out reiterating his relatively hawkish stance when it comes to what the central bank can achieve in the u.k., warning that inflation is sticky and saying spare capacity is not a great gauge of inflation. pressures saying that monetary policy can only...
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president obama addresses the business roundtable and that could be critical. david has an exclusive interview with ken moelis. back to you guys. >> let's get six in 60. six stocks in 60 seconds. >> yesterday's news overshadowed by many things. a fantastic quarter. we knew it would be household formation buying on weakness. >> 17 straight. number of quarters where they beat it. this was a major miss. >> rbc does not like clf. this is again china. i don't like it either but china is coming back. >> naz 100 taking on facebook. >> money is an index to the naz 100. people paid for this in premarket. it was a mistake. >> citi thinks limited can do a special div. >> limited has a lot of cash. gap said no yesterday. hurt the stock. >> goldman starts utx neutral. great company. a slap in the face, carl. boom. slap in the face. >> you got that right. what's on "mad" tonight? >> i have been featuring these investment -- look, the etf. i've been feeling they know america. i have to know how bad america is. they do the southeast. great company. >> we've not talked a lot ab
president obama addresses the business roundtable and that could be critical. david has an exclusive interview with ken moelis. back to you guys. >> let's get six in 60. six stocks in 60 seconds. >> yesterday's news overshadowed by many things. a fantastic quarter. we knew it would be household formation buying on weakness. >> 17 straight. number of quarters where they beat it. this was a major miss. >> rbc does not like clf. this is again china. i don't like it either...
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how do you look at the white house? how do you look at how both the white house and congress has been negotiating this as a deal-maker yourself? >> i didn't go to the meetings though i was invited. i happened to have a trip in brazil and chile i had to go to. i liked the fact the white house is reaching out. i always believed collaboration between business, government, civil society, you will have a better outcome than antagonism. i like the fact of reaching out, people engaging in conversation. i like the fact the president went to the business roundtable and was on tv. it's a very good thing to do. i hope it gets to the right place. business is not the only player but hopes it gets us to the right place. >> do you think the relationship between wall street and washington is going to get better or -- let me put it a different way. as a result of this election, has there been any lesson learned about how to deal with washington differently, because it took on a very antagonist stick-back an forth before the electi elect
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and frankly, all we've heard from the white house is what they're not willing to do. so the president has signed the it tension of these rates in the past. i think the underreported story in all of this drama are senate democrats that are wringing their hands and avoiding eye contact. >> mcconnell would have produce the brought it up not just as an amendment. >> we're too busy today, forget it. >> they can't pass it in their own house. >> so here is the question. the operative question is does this administration really want to take to us $22 trillion? is that really where they want to go? because that's the pathway. and if they do, aren't we better to deal with this right now? this doesn't get any better the longer we wait. when you have the speaker saying we're willing to move, our movement is to put revenue on the table -- >> are you saying a bucket of crazy is better than the long term implications? >> that's what the country is dealing with. neither are things you want to embrace because they're both miserable. but based on experience in illino illinois, illinois
and frankly, all we've heard from the white house is what they're not willing to do. so the president has signed the it tension of these rates in the past. i think the underreported story in all of this drama are senate democrats that are wringing their hands and avoiding eye contact. >> mcconnell would have produce the brought it up not just as an amendment. >> we're too busy today, forget it. >> they can't pass it in their own house. >> so here is the question. the...
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our john harwood is live at the white house with more on that. john, good morning. >> good morning, carl. you know the president's been very clear since the election that republicans need to give on taxes for people at the top and not just on revenues, but also on tax rates because he says the math can't work otherwise. we've seen some signs of cracking in the republican unity. that suggests we may be getting to the next phase of negotiations. the latest sign was possible corker, the senator from tennessee, who was on our air just a few minutes ago, as you know, saying republicans should concede ground on top tax rates and then get on to other issues. >> the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate of rate increases, be done with it, the numbers aprobably much smaller than is going to ultimately be negotiated, and then we still are focused on the right thing, which is entitlement changes. >> and that may be what john boehner and president obama are discussing yesterday, and in the days to come. because, speaker boehner needs s
our john harwood is live at the white house with more on that. john, good morning. >> good morning, carl. you know the president's been very clear since the election that republicans need to give on taxes for people at the top and not just on revenues, but also on tax rates because he says the math can't work otherwise. we've seen some signs of cracking in the republican unity. that suggests we may be getting to the next phase of negotiations. the latest sign was possible corker, the...
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. >> guys we're going to leave it there, katy stockton and brian white, thank you. tim cook being interviewed by brian williams, that is tonight on nbc's rock center. 10:00 p.m. on your local nbc station. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, g
. >> guys we're going to leave it there, katy stockton and brian white, thank you. tim cook being interviewed by brian williams, that is tonight on nbc's rock center. 10:00 p.m. on your local nbc station. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with...
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bill daley was the white house chief of staff under president obama during the debt ceiling negotiations last year. mr. daley, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> reporter: we were just trying to figure out what to make of this. all morning long we've been saying it's relatively good news that we haven't within hearing from the principalprincipals. what does it mean now that speaker boehner is going to be addressing the house at noon. >> i think it's a strong sign there is movement. i don't know that. i'm not on the inside. i don't know what's going on. i doubt the speaker is going to stand up and speak to the body and say nothing's happening and we're not going anywhere and just give a partisan speech. so i'm hopeful that that's what this means. i think it would be damaging to a process that has been basically as it was in '11, a pretty quiet going process kept in secret if all the sudden this becomes anything but that process. i think a very public negotiation does not help getting this done. in what is a relatively very short period to sort of
bill daley was the white house chief of staff under president obama during the debt ceiling negotiations last year. mr. daley, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> reporter: we were just trying to figure out what to make of this. all morning long we've been saying it's relatively good news that we haven't within hearing from the principalprincipals. what does it mean now that speaker boehner is going to be addressing the house at noon....
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however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime, speaker boehner says he is still waiting on specific spending cuts. joining us now for analysis, tony fratto, of hamilton place strategies and former white house press secretary and gerald bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. gentlemen, thank you for being here with us and getting this special day of coverage kicked off for us. >> rising early and rising above. >> exactly. let's talk about this. jared, it seems like things have gotten quieter. do you think that's the case? is that a good sign? >> i think it's probably a pretty good sign. if you look at this morning's papers, you see a number of articles suggesting that there's a bit more compromise in the air. my concern is that tomorrow's papers may say the opposite. so interestingly, ther
however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime, speaker boehner says he is still waiting on specific spending cuts. joining us now for analysis, tony fratto, of hamilton place strategies and former white house press...